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Post Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:06 pm

Afghanistan discussion

I'd like to create this thread for an on-going discussion re Afghanistan.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/feb2012/afgh-f03.shtml
NATO Ministers Hold Crisis Talks on Afghanistan, Bill Van Auken. And Leon Panetta basically states that US troops will remain in Afghanistan till well past 2014, in fact with no end date.

Amid growing signs of crisis in the decade-old US-led war in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Wednesday that the US military would make a “transition” from combat to “training” and “advising” puppet Afghan forces by the end of 2013.
The announcement came on the eve of a NATO ministers meeting in Brussels. The deadline is a year earlier than previously set by NATO at its summit in Lisbon in 2010. The new timetable was widely seen as an attempt to head off even earlier withdrawals of troops by European NATO members.........
Panetta told reporters on a plane en route to the NATO conference in Brussels that US troops would remain in Afghanistan well past the end of 2014, the date previously announced as a withdrawal deadline, though they would be there to support the troops of the US-backed regime in Kabul.
“Our goal is to complete all of that transition in 2013, and hopefully by mid to the latter part of 2013, we’ll be able to make a transition from a combat role to a training, advise and assist role,” said the Pentagon chief.
Panetta claimed that the US intervention in Afghanistan had reached a “turning point” in 2011 based on the “ability to really go after the Taliban” following the surge announced by President Barack Obama in late 2009, which sent another 33,000 US troops into the country.
Panetta said that the US strategy was to utilize Afghan puppet troops to conduct security operations, while the US military maintains a substantial military presence, including with units “embedded” among the Afghan forces as well as special operations troops to carry out counterinsurgency raids and air strikes.
He stressed that the US military would maintain a “robust role” in Afghanistan long past 2014. “We’re committed to an enduring presence there,” he said. “We have the missions we’re going to be involved with—those CT [counter-terrorism] operations. We’ll be involved with training, advising and assisting, not only the Afghan forces, but we’ll continue to have to provide enabling forces for ISAF as well as Afghanistan. And there’ll be a large civilian presence there involved with development. So there clearly is going to be a continuing presence in Afghanistan for the long term...”
While the troops remaining would be formally designated as advisers and trainers, Panetta added, “Look, it doesn’t mean that, you know, we’re not—we’re not going to be combat-ready. We will be, because we always have to be in order to defend ourselves.”.........
The defense secretary’s emphasis on an “enduring presence” of US troops in Afghanistan reflects a key aim pursued by Washington since the onset of the war in October 2001: the securing of permanent American bases near the strategically vital and oil-rich regions of Central Asia as well as on the borders of both China and Iran.
Panetta’s rosy description of the situation in Afghanistan is belied, however, by a series of recently released reports.

The latest of these is a leaked classified report prepared by NATO, titled “State of the Taliban 2012,” which describes the forces resisting the US-led occupation as gaining strength and enjoying widespread popular support, including within the US-backed government of President Hamid Karzai and its security forces........
Another focus of the report – likely the reason that it was leaked – is its portrayal of the Pakistani military intelligence agency, the ISI, as being “intimately involved” in the Taliban’s operations..........
The report was leaked on the eve of a visit to Kabul by Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, the first high-level contact between the two governments since last September. The apparent aim of the Pakistan government was to exploit divisions between Washington and its puppet Karzai over US efforts to broker peace talks with the Taliban.
Pakistan is anxious to preserve its influence over the Afghan resistance forces as a means of securing its own strategic interests in the region, particularly vis-a-vis Indian influence in Afghanistan.........
Also pointing to the crisis of the decade-long US war was a secret National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) issued last month, reflecting the assessment of the situation in Afghanistan of the CIA and 15 other US intelligence agencies......
Finally, US military brass testified Wednesday before the House Armed Services Committee on the growing number of incidents in which members of the US-backed Afghan security forces have shot and killed American and other NATO troops.
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Post Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:37 am

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Taliban have just announced agreements that wholesale units of the Afghan Military and police are ready to come overto the Taliban bringing along their billions in equipment.

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Post Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:55 am

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ha.. now that's funny..
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Post Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:21 am

drunken US soldiers go on killing spree in Afghanistan

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Gruesome new details are surfacing after 16 Afghan villagers including nine children were shot in their houses by at least one US serviceman. Witnesses to the atrocity now say that several drunken American soldiers were involved.

­Neighbors at the village where the killings took place said they were awoken past midnight by crackling gunfire:

"They were all drunk and shooting all over the place," Reuters cites Agha Lala, a villager in Kandahar's Panjwayi district.

Lala's neighbor Haji Samad lost all of his 11 relatives in the rampage, including children and grandchildren. He claims Marines “poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them.”
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Post Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:45 pm

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you know Targe, I just got a feeling that there a LOT more to it than that guy or guys being drunk.
In one report, a boy that witnessed the Sgt. in his home, said he seemed to be looking for something or someone.
I don't know but something about this sure seems messed with or something.
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Post Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:11 pm

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Well, it was definitely a group of people, so ignore your MSM on that point. Multiple eyewitnesses saw a group of soldiers, and they were burning bodies as they went, that's not a one person job.

As for looking for someone, it could be that after getting drunk, they all recalled some local a-hole that they all hated and wanted eliminated.

If this was more sinister, I would have guessed they would have been sporting fake turbans and beards, and claiming to be Taliban.

The fact that the US is coming out immediately to hang a single individual for it, indicates it was not another group pretending to be US soldiers. Not aware of that ever happening either.

No, I think a bunch of stressed out idiots drank too much booze and then decided to go on a scalp hunt at 3 in the morning. The US military will try to pin it on a lone gunman psycho theory to deflect from the real story - their troops are losing it left and right and they need to be pulled out NOW
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Post Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:23 pm

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Ok, now I'm eating my words. Incredibly, it does appear to have been the work of one guy. They found his footprints, and he slogged 4 km south and hit a second village himself.

He executed kids in their beds, gathered families together and mass executed them, horrible stuff.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 92978.html

Guy makes Jeffrey Dalmer look like a boy scout leader...

Apparently it was Afghan army troops that arrested him! Wow, talk about shoe being on the other foot....
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Post Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:47 pm

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"The villages are roughly two to three kilometres apart.
From the perspective of one neighbourhood in Herat

"From his footprints, we could tell he had tried to kick open the gates of many houses, but had failed. He had finally found one gate open," said Dastagiri.

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The soldier, who reportedly has two children of his own, was laughing as he opened fire, one of the six who survived their wounds told the official when he visited the hospital."

Thanks for the posts, Targe! It sounds like this highly trained man had lost all grip on any sense of balance or perspective. Maybe he was very against being in Afghanistan, broken-spirited, in despair, angry, and just totally lost it and that primitive part of his brain went into Fight.

Too bad for him, his victims, everyone. It is scary to see someone with his kind of experience and skill lose his spirit and discipline the way he did.
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Post Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:06 pm

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yes, Targe rocks! your arguments were well thought out too. I still have to wonder....
oh hell, we'll never know I guess will we.
I just wonder what the hell was going on in his head. What was he thinking?
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Post Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:48 pm

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This amongst other things provides some clues as to what was inside his head.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/afgh-m12.shtml
Massacre in Afghanistan: US Soldier Kills 16 Villagers, Including 9 Children, Patrick Martin.

In a massacre that expresses the brutality and horror of the entire American war in Afghanistan, an Army staff sergeant walked into a village in rural Kandahar province early Sunday morning and murdered 16 people, nine of them children.
Eleven members of a single family were gunned down in their home, their bodies then piled in a heap and set on fire. The victims included four girls six years old or younger. Only the father, Samid Khan, and one child survived, because they were away from the village at the time.
The gunman then went on to shoot the inhabitants of two more dwellings before he returned to his base and turned himself in. At least five villagers were wounded, some of them critically, and the death toll could rise........
The identity of the mass murderer was being kept secret by US and Afghan authorities and by the American media late Sunday night, but the British Broadcasting Corporation reported that he was a staff sergeant and a member of the US special operations forces engaged in training the Afghan police.
There are conflicting reports about many details of the massacre. Some survivors contend that more than one American soldier was involved, and Taliban spokesmen claimed that the attack was one of the notorious night raids conducted by US special forces that have become a focal point for popular hostility to the US occupation.
The initial statement by Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the massacre as an action by “American forces,” but later statements from Karzai and US military authorities denied that there was any authorized military operation in the village and claimed that, despite the huge death toll, only a single gunman was involved.
The base in Panjwai district of Kandahar province is manned by US troops from Ft. Lewis-McChord, Washington, the same facility where members of the Stryker Brigade have been tried and convicted of murdering three Afghan civilians, then cutting off their finger and other body parts as trophies. Those killings took place in Maiwand district, which is just northwest of Panjwai.[The most recent edition of WSWS's Notes on the Social Crisis mentioned cut-backs and falsifications at the psychological services of that base, http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/socr-m08.shtml]
The Obama administration and the American military command in Afghanistan reacted to the atrocity as a problem in public relations and damage control. [Obama labeled the incident "tragic and shocking"]
Tragic and shocking it certainly is, but this atrocity, far from being an aberration, speaks volumes about what the American military has done to Afghanistan, as well as what the experience of 11 years of colonial war against an oppressed population has done to the American military...........
The soldiers come to regard the entire population of the country as the enemy—a sentiment that has a powerful basis in reality, since the vast majority the Afghan people hate the foreign occupation and domination of their country. Racist sentiments towards the native population are the hallmark of any colonial occupation force, and among the more backward and unstable individuals this can easily escalate into homicidal violence.
But this is far from an individual question. Obama’s statement vowed punishment for “all those responsible” for Sunday’s atrocity. If those words had any meaning, Obama, Panetta, Joseph Biden, Hillary Clinton, and CIA Director David Petraeus would be sitting in the dock at a war crimes tribunal, along with all their predecessors in the Bush administration.
American military forces have perpetrated countless such atrocities in Afghanistan, although until recently these were categorized (and essentially dismissed) as unintentional errors.........
The US press coverage of the massacre reflected official concerns that a wave of anti-American violence could erupt as news of the deaths spread through Afghanistan. The Washington Post described it as “perhaps the grisliest act by a US soldier in the decade-long war and seemed all but certain to stoke anti-American anger in a crucial battleground.” The “perhaps” is remarkable—are there other such atrocities, comparable in scale, that the Post reporters are aware of?
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